When I hear calls for term limits, are we really trying to limit the politician or the voter? Are the well intended calls for term limits filled with possible unintended consequences? The arguments for and against term limits is as old as the nation itself. Notable on the pro-term limits side were Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, opposing were James Madison and Alexander Hamilton. Our Framers argued 230 years ago the same points we hear today, and we all know how the discussion turned out. There are no term limits defined in the Constitution.
The Framers did not have any reason to believe that government would become as complex as it is today, and indeed in the first 100 years of the nation, a part-time legislature was the norm. During the Constitutional Convention in 1787, term limits were argued and rejected. The Framers determined that instead short, well defined terms provided a better method of ensuring a legislature in tune with the citizenry's needs, with Roger Sherman saying, "Frequent elections are necessary to preserve the good behavior of rulers. They also tend to give permanency to the Government, by preserving that good behavior, because it ensures their re-election."
Many would argue that the Framers lived in a different time, and their arguments no longer are valid. Many others argue that the case against term limits are as valid now as they were then, as is the case for the other provisions in the Constitution.
We can see the Framers' discussion play out in the Federalist Papers. Jefferson, Franklin, and others envisioning a part-time government, thought that there would be little need for a complicated government, and turnover would not be a problem. But Madison, perhaps envisioning the future complexity of government. argues in Federalist No. 53, that re-election by members of government will cause them to master the art of government and provide institutional knowledge to the newly elected members who rely on them to provide the experience needed to accomplish long-term governmental goals. Hamilton knew and explained, in Federalist No. 72, that term limits removed an inhibition on bad behavior since constantly going in front of voters meant that elected officials must always strive to serve in a responsible manner or else they would be turned out at the next election. Gouverneur Morris stated succinctly, "The ineligibility proposed by the [terms limitation] clause as it stood tended to destroy the great motive to good behavior, the hope of being rewarded by a re-appointment."
John Adams, a great believer in personal freedom and responsibility, also argued against term limits, saying that it is the right of the citizens to choose their leaders without restrictions.
"There is no right clearer, and few of more importance, than that the people should be at liberty to choose the ablest and best men, and that men of the greatest merit should exercise the most important employments; yet, upon the present [term limits] supposition, the people voluntarily resign this right, and shackle their own choice.... [T]hey must all return to private life, and be succeeded by another set, who have less wisdom, wealth, virtue, and less of the confidence and affection of the people."
Current term limit proponents argue that in the past, legislative turnover was much higher than we see today. They say that modern reelection rates approach 90% which results in an insulated political class who are no longer in touch with their constituents. What this argument fails to mention is that the elected official is returned to office by a majority of his constituents. Every two (or four, or six) years, voters are presented with the opportunity to return their elected officials to office, or send them back to their homes. Elections are for ridding us of the politicians who are not performing up to our expectations. Term limits are for eliminating politicians who we feel ARE performing according to their constituents needs and wishes. If one truly believes a politician should be removed from office, do it the American way, with facts, ideas and the voting booth.
More modern arguments against term limits say that term limits increase the influence of lobbyists and professional staffers. These interest groups do not labor under elective scrutiny, term limits, or any real constraints on their power. They have an easy time influencing new and inexperienced officials. Furthermore, term limits do not give legislators enough time to grow accustomed to their position and reach a point where they can be maximally effective for their constituents. Here is one of the unintended consequences that falls out of the term limit movement, the entrenched professional bureaucrat's influence actually increases with a higher turnover of elected officials since the official no longer has the institutional knowledge of accomplishing the legislative task, and instead relies more heavily on these unelected bureaucrats.
My preference is to have a candidate of integrity and with the institutional knowledge to perform his duties. It is my opinion that I would rather return honest men to office than to rely on machine-type politics to select endlessly changing candidates, more influential lobbying on inexperienced elected officials, or entrenched bureaucrats with no accountability to the voters. We need politicians of high integrity at all levels of government, and we should not impose an institutionalized hop-scotch system of elected service. In a U.S. House speech, Henry Hyde said that, "… the case for term limits is a rejection of professionalism in politics. Term limits limit the the field of potential candidates - what successful person in mid-life would leave a career…" Hyde thought that term limits would have the result of turning public service into, "… a sabbatical for the well to do elite and bored retirees."
Once a modern politician has decided to enter politics, they sometimes choose to make a professional commitment to their constituents.. Term limiting a politician does nothing to end a politician's tenure since there are many offices that a politician can fill. Term limits rather promotes an "up-or-out" mentality, and provides an even greater distraction from the elected official's real job, which is to serve his constituents. If we impose term limits, do we really limit the politician? Nothing really stops a person from moving up to another office anyway, so a Representative can serve x number of years then move to the next higher or different office where they serve another x number of years. Have we really accomplished anything? All we have done is create a formula for a politician to continue service by hopping around. We really haven't addressed Franklin's concerns about career politicians.
A better solution is an open, fair, streamlined, process of recall of an elected official who constantly fails to serve his constituents.
Jeffrey Crane
6:21 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
"A better solution is an open, fair, streamlined, process of recall of an elected official who constantly fails to serve his constituents."
Agree.
Frank Canzolino
10:18 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Thanks, Jeffrey. A recall provision to the State Constitution would be feared by those politicians who would argue against it the most.
J
8:39 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Who's really limited by term limits? Really? In the land of Henry Hyde, you need to ask that question?
In Ill-Annoy, how are no term limits working for us? Better question, for Mike Madigan?
We have term limits for President and for Governor. We should have them for all public officials-federal, state-wide, county-wide, township-wide. Why? If for no better reason, to protect ourselves from those who prey on our faulty memories and to protect ourselves from OURSELVES.
Frank Canzolino
10:17 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Jeff,
I understand the frustration you feel, but I see no reason to limit my choices on who I vote for by an arbitrarily imposed rule like term limits. Let's support a good recall provision to the Illinois Constitution and take the politicians out of the equation.
J Steen
9:29 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Do you people realize how silly you sound when you use the popular TeaKlux code words "The Framers," and "Patriot," and especially when you use your limited intellectual resources to pretend that you and ONLY you know what the Founders of our democracy were thinking when they created the Constitution and the Bill of Rights ?
Term limits for the President will soon be a thing of the past after Barack Hussein Obama wins his second term - we plan on giving him as much time as he finds necessary to repair the damage the RepubliKlan Party has done to our Nation's economy.
Write THAT on your Patriot calendar, Cletus.
November 2012.
Frank Canzolino
10:15 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
J Steen,
My limited intellectual resources tell me how the Framers ultimately felt simply by looking at the result. Term limits were argued and rejected.
And your ad hominem attack is exactly what I'd expect based on your past postings. Either engage in the debate, or don't bother to post.
In all fairness, I have outlined both sides of the argument, and say that term limits are not the be-all-end-all people imagine. I instead prefer a recall provision to remove an elected official immediately. I see nothing in your post arguing any position other than to imply you have an inside track on the future.
Doremus Jessup
10:21 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
I would like to see term limits for the U.S. congress but I would increase the term to 4 years for a representative. I would say 2 or 3 terms for Senator and Representative. I don't think our founding fathers could have imagined that candidates would use their campaigns to funnel money and jobs to supporters like they do now. Either term limits or raise the age to 75 then at least we would not have to see the same people forever.
Frank Canzolino
10:44 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Doremus,
Washington filled his cabinet with Federalists. When Jefferson was elected, he fired these folks and replaced them with his own supporters, and thus the political patronage system in America was born. The word patronage itself has Latin roots, and was known even in the Roman Republic...
Doremus Jessup
11:13 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
Frank, I understand that. What I am saying is that even when these pols lose they are win by backscratching with their campaign funds, selling influence and doling out cash for their own influence. I wonder if a Representative who has to run so often has to pay for his own meals, own car, and other expenses at the same time putting family members on the campaign payroll much like Tom Delay or even local candidates here who pay themselves to drive themselves to their own campaign events or open up printing shops and buy their own fliers from themselves. These constant campaigns are just another way for corrupt people to skirt the rules. Having less campaigns would at least spread out the influence a little more and heck once in a blue moon we might actually get an honest person interested in the citizens.
Kevin Fitzpatrick
4:07 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
Well framed argument Frank. Kudos. In the evolution of our Republic, I believe the time has come for term limits. It is no longer a great sacrifice to serve in many levels of government as it was in the Framer's day. One of the best examples of term limits I could cite is Rudy Giuliani. Nearly every person in America believed he rose to the occasion on an attack on our soil on 911. His steady hand and leadership of so many others helped us cope with the unthinkable to many. Yet he was term limited only a little more than a year later. Others rose to serve and like him or not Michael Bloomberg has kept his city safe and ready and dealt with many threats since then. We are term limiting our most vital positions in this country. The key seems to be picking the right number of years to limit them to. There's no reason that professional staff or bureaucrats can't be limited as well. In fact, we absolutely should. This happens in organizations, clubs, etc. People are expected to tender resignations to the successor when a change takes place. The successor may accept or reject those resignations. Those people serve at the pleasure of the officeholder. Would we have dealt with bad legislation or bad laws more quickly if we didn't have institutions protecting themselves and the people who serve in them? I believe we would have. The average citizen with above average intelligence may not have the resources to run. Term limits need a wider debate now. The governed have a right to speak.
Frank Canzolino
9:09 am on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Thanks for the reply, Kevin. I was hoping to trigger a discussion on this issue because I think it is a very important topic for people to consider. Again, thanks for engaging.
I find the most compelling argument is that term limits are limiting the choice of the voter (with the side effect that we are relieving the citizenry of their responsibility of the kind of government they get). I hate the fact that Speaker Madigan seems to have been in power for centuries. However, his constituents keep putting him back in office. Perhaps we could limit his term as Speaker, this is a choice made by other legislators and not by the people, and I could get behind limiting their power. However, should Madigan's constituents be limited from having Madigan as their representative, that's a whole 'nouther kettle of fish.
Voters also cannot be relieved of their responsibility. We both (most probably) voted for Peter Roskam. Good choices on our parts. Were it not for redistricting, I'd be voting for him this time around, too. And probably in perpetuity. Our district was served ably by Henry Hyde for many years, and he became (along with another Illinois Representative, Bob Michel) the conscience of the House. His long experience we needed through many times of turmoil. I supported Hyde, just like Roskam. There is no reason for us to lose their experience, which takes years to learn no matter how smart the person is, because of term limits.
Johner
11:03 am on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
I don't believe it was ever the intention of having 'career' politicians. It is widely known that much money is to be made, along with the many perks not afforded to regular citizens, by going into politics. Look at the CPS scandal - serve one day and you get a pension; same goes for congress - serve one term and get a pension, why? People like Madigan and Culloton get re-elected because they have acquired too much power and people are are afraid to run against them, or vote for someone who is. People don't like the way the government is run, but they dislike change even more, so back to the status quo.
If you limit terms then you prevent people from having too much power and might, if we're lucky, get someone in office who really, truly cares about this state and/or country and not so much about lining their pockets.
Kevin Fitzpatrick
11:10 am on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Peter Roskam ascended very quickly (became #4 in the House after 2 terms, 4 years). The great ones always do. More often than not, what prevents this is people clogging up leadership based on tenure. Look at every committee chairman, state or federal. Then look down the committee 3 or 4 or 5 spots and look at who the brightest star on the committee is; usually someone heading a subcommittee because smarts are needed. If you have less time, you become more serious and productive with it. That's just human nature. Everyone in public service ought to enter it with a "bucket list". There are plenty of places for great public servants to serve after elective office; colleges, boards, symposiums, fellowships, you name it. Many do. In Illinois, we've had one change of speaker for 2 years of the last 40. The legislators choose their leaders. Change one more regularly and you'll see change with the other. The time has come for "reasonable" term limits. Long enough to accomplish great things, but short enough not to be a career.