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6:57 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
You should have had a contrasting picture of the young 25 year old worker walking to the edge of a cliff carrying a building that said "Student Loan Debt" + "Social Security Payments"
9:20 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Thomas-good and add public pensions, especially educator's, now at 168 unfunded liability, COLA and health care, medicaid for those who do not met the criteria for eliglibility, welfare for those who Mr. Obama issued an executive order on Thursday, July 12, 2012, "do not have to work or seek work to collect welfare" and food stamps, wherein Mr. Obama is advertising on Spanish soap opera programs for individuals to "apply for food stamps."
9:37 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
I like it Charley, but I agree with these 2 - how about a couple of wide-eyed college grads clutching their diplomas, carrying student loan debt, social security for their parents and grandparents, public union pensions plus the weight of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax!
10:58 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Thanks for the idea, Thomas. I don't like to repeat graphic metaphors such as our Edge Of A Cliff, but I might be tempted if I can find a way to work-in a profiteering roadrunner and a financially-challenged coyote as well.
10:00 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
"The typical household headed by someone age 65 and older in 2009 had 47 times as much net wealth as a household of people under age 35." from this article http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2011/11/08/wealth-gap-between-young-and-old-grows
Seems Mr.Krebs wants to perpetuate a myth, sure there are some seniors who struggle, and I think we should help them out,Ayn Rand be screwed ,but as far as property taxes these senior property tax brakes should be means tested. I hear wealthy people complaining about how the inheritance tax is coming back and in the same breath boast about having their children pay their own college tuition costs which is an easy way to avoid paying taxes on your wealth. Here in York Township seniors also have tax payer reduced cost rides. Hey Charlie I wonder how old you are, I am guessing you are closer to the seniors than the 35 year olds. So I see an agenda on your part.
11:21 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
My family, mother, stepfather and 8 kids, was poor; however, we never applied for welfare. Why? We lived within our means. All family members pitched in as soon as they could work to help raise the family's stardard of living. What did it get us? One nurse, a psychologist, a kids learning center owner, a teacher, a 2-business owner entrepenuer (died at age 32), a truck driver (retired at 55 then they travelled all over the world), a top mechanic, and a retail buyer for the largest retailer in the world - all without going into debt or government assistance. Everybody doesn't have to go to college - just be the best at whatever job you choose to do. And Doremus, I am an Objectivist. You need to read Ayn Rand again. Obviously, you misunderstood a few of her points. My mother, who had only a 6th grade education, was teaching us Objectivism without ever having read Ayn Rand. I think she taught us well. All the problems that are now stopping an individual from achieving their own greatness and enjoying the results of that greatness, have been caused by government laws that want to make us all the same. We are not the same. Should we help those who need it? Of course! But if you are capable of getting up and doing "something" than do so! Don't expect to be taken care of, if you can do so yourself! I was as satisfied with my own worth when I lived at the YMCA when I was 19 years old, as I am now in a 4-bedroom house in my retirement. I earned it all!
11:27 am on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Rosemary, I think I agree with most of what you write although I find Ayn Rands vision of the world a little too black and white for me. I'm pretty sure that a sixth grade education in present times would more often than not doom a person for an unhappy life. I'd rather provide a four year college education for free for every student than allow a child deduction every year for the same child. This is the modern era, we need to educate everybody, academically or with a trade.
12:21 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Rosemary, I absolutely agree! My husband grew up in a household with 8 children, and when I say they had NOTHING...I mean it. Everyone had to pay for their own education, and my husband put himself through undergrad and medical school taking on $250,000 worth of debt. To make money during school, he painted houses, drove a cab, worked as a cook, mowed lawns, and anything else he could do so he could eat. Society today expects free everything. Free education, free healthcare, free food, free cell phones, etc. Although, I must say there is never a shortage of people at Bulls or Bears games...no one wants to pay for a physical examination. My husband worked his rear end off to pay down those debts, and to provide a better situation for our 4 kids. HE earned it! No one gave him a thing along the way. I am a bit tired of those who believe they are entitled to things without even contributing anything to this society. Not everyone can be doctors, lawyers, teachers, nurses, etc., but people can mow lawns, wait tables, empty trash cans, and dig ditches. Those who have always worked very hard are becoming resentful of those who have done nothing but put their hands out for a check or an entitlement. Our government has made a job unnecessary, fathers unnecessary, and even personal pride unnecessary. It is very sad that those generations before us worked so diligently, only for us to arrive at a point where, as Tty stated, only 47% of Americans pay any income taxes.
1:18 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Obamacare is 17 trillion, not billion, trillion, in new unfunded liabilities. it's called Communism, it was used to destroy dissent, destroy the middle class, and the wealthy as well, because it keeps the rich rich, and allows everyone else to get taxed up the yin yang.
1:56 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
When people without insurance find themselves in need of medical attention, they go to ERs which are reuired by law to open their doors to anyone in need of care. This health care "liability" as you refer to it, is not free today. In fact, standard treatment through a primary care physician is far cheaper than crisis care in an ER. Many hospitals aggressively bill emergency patients - and their insurers - to recoup the inflated costs of such care. Even so, they come up short.
So who covers the shortfalls? A significant source of hospital funding is taxes. For the rest, hospitals make up their ER losses by inflating the prices that insured customers pay - and according to the Center for American Progress, this amounts to an $1,100 yearly "hidden tax" on health insurance. Put simply, ER care is already funded by taxpayers and the insured middle class.
Because Obamacare will require people who can pay for insurance to do so, and will more aggressively prosecute Medicare fraud, and will increase taxes on medical machinery manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies and insurers, it will, in all likelihood, actually reduce the burden on middle class families.
3:07 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Let's see Stewart- wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong,&wrong! That may be a new record for wrong in a three line statement!
1:36 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Every time a discussion of Ayn Rand comes up, the Comments section fills up with anecdotal stories of people who "came from nothing" and "lifted themselves up by their own bootstraps" through "hard work, earning it while no one gave them a thing" Those of you who claim to have "worked hard while no one gave you a thing" are missing the glaringly obvious fact that someone did give you something. Someone gave you a job. They didn't have to. They could have hired the other person applying, but for whatever reason they chose you. And gave you an opportunity to work hard and earn your way without assistance. Good for you, but please please please stop posting on these forums that no one gave you a thing. It's ridiculous. If no one truly gave you a thing, you would die of starvation within a week or do what everyone else in that position does, seek government assistance. Yes, there are people for whom the safety net is now a hammock, taking government assistance while going to the Bears game as you say, but you are very cynical if you believe that is the norm, not the exception. Besides, owning a cell phone is an absolute necessity in this day and age when job hunting. Just because a person is down on their luck with no one giving them an opportunity (the way you were given an opportunity) to earn a successful living, does that mean they need to wallow in misery, never watching television or taking their kids out to a ball game? Kids, go to your room & cry as expected of us.
3:57 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The difference between you and a lot of other people out here is that you think random luck drives the world.
You've completely missed the point that opportunities are not given; they are something you prepare for and then seize when you are able. Same with jobs.
I've hired lots of people and it was never random luck that landed someone the job. Maybe they were lucky to see the job opening. After that it was their experience, drive, degree or some other factor on their resume that indicated to me that they'd do a good job. I chose based on that rather than blindly picking a resume out of the stack and saying "You are the lucky winner ."
1:10 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Jobs are not given, in the way you use the word "give". Nor is one applicant chosen over another by a roll of the dice. The job goes to the best qualified applicant, and it is not a gift. Its cost, which will be significant, will be more than covered by the benefit to the employer of having made the right choice. If the choice is a poor one, everybody loses.
Only the government uses arbitrary standards when hiring. Small business owners, the major supplier of jobs to this economy, have their OWN money and their OWN future at stake when they make a hiring decision. There is no charity involved.
1:42 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.
The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for America is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” One statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the Obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.
The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.
Millions of Americans are not being told the truth that almost 90% of us pay taxes, and that much of the reason why there were fewer people paying federal income taxes in 2009 was that Barack Obama signed the largest tax cut in US history.
Since the truth undercuts the conservative’s reverse Robin Hood steal from the poor to give to the rich policy, they are going to do their best to keep the facts buried under a mountain of misinformation.
Anytime anyone tells you that half of Americans paid no taxes, do your country a favor and straighten them out. We have the facts. It’s time to tear down this talking point.
1:59 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
47% of the US population pays no FEDERAL INCOME TAX. You copy and pasted the above cr%P from politicususa, a ridiculous source of liberal lies.
2:03 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Here's the FACTS Sean:
Don't be a liberal parrot! EDUCATE YOURSELF!
4:01 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
47% of US tax filers pay no feredal income tax. http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm If you include the entitlement taxes (Social Security and Medicare) the number drops down quite a bit. Perhaps as low as you are quoting.
The CBO website has easy to read tables of information on who pays taxes. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43373 The top 20% of earners pay abotu 70% of all of the taxes collected by the federal government. That number has been steadily increasing since 1979. That is to say that the middle class has been carrying a smaller and smaller share of the burden.
2:23 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Nice "unbiased" article TTy. Noticed with a little research the Author is with the Mercatus Center at George Mason University an American "market-oriented" research, education, and outreach think tank affiliated with the "KOCH BROTHERS"
Now who is the parrot?
2:31 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
this is as non-partisan as it gets:
The thing is, once the libs can get 51% of the population freeloading, they'll never lose another election
2:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Back at ya TTY: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505. Standard Deduction amounts for 2011 Single-$5800 Head of Household-$8,500 Married Filing Jointly- $11,600 so if you make less than this in a year you pay "NO INCOME TAX" You imply in your tea party rantings is that if you pay no income tax you are a freeloader. You fail to mention these people still pay "payroll taxes" for Social Security and Medicaire. They pay sales tax, gas taxes, excise taxes. Look at the second bullet point on the above site. It quotes the same Tax Policy Center you use....Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year. In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.
3:12 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Thomas , thank you for cutting down the imbecilic rants of Mr TTy
3:20 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
I take it you're one of the 47%, eh Tommy? Don't worry, I'll keep paying your share.
4:04 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Sales taxes are local taxes that do not support the federal government. Same with property taxes. Not sure on the gas taxes you mention. Regarding Social Security and Medicare it's common for economists to exclude these as they are entitlement programs. Generaly when discussing federal revenue you want to look at sources supporting the operations of the government.
3:43 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Sorry to disappoint you TTyster. Just checked my turbotax. My wife and I paid $27,604 in 2011 Federal Income Tax. I can pay my way. Thanks for the offer though. I can tell by your postings you are truly a generous man.
4:32 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
See, Tommy - that's something that's lost on the people who parrot the liberal talking points. I am a fiscally conservative man (as if you couldn't tell) but I am a big supporter of many local charities and believe that anyone who has earned (inherited, whatever) a significant amount of money have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate. HOWEVER, when a liberal government confiscates money to dole out to their pet voting blocks - that doesn't they are people of good hearts. It isn't generosity if you're using other people's money! It's just buying votes! So never confuse liberalism with humanitarianism, Tom, they are 2 entirely different things!
4:58 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Now that is something we can both agree on, Politicians, both Cons and Libs, love to dole out money to their pet voting blocks. Read any transportation and defense spending bill to get an idea. One big difference is one side tends to give more to the haves then the have nots.
5:05 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Well, if the Libs are giving more to the have-nots, I don't think it has anything to do with good will. Just think of the good you could do if the 27K (over and above FICA, Stae, property tax, etc) the Feds took from you was yours to donate to the charity of your choice. Like most things, I think philanthropy works best when it's not overseen by a government agency.
The Cons are not above reproach either, of course. Too bad so many people are beholden to Federal money that it's unlikely we'll see any change.
4:01 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
Actually TTy , philanthropy works best when it benefits those who need it most. And admit it- YOU don't know who they are. If someone can't feed their kids, they can't wait for YOU to decide to bestow your grace upon them. If you're going to let people suffer, don't hand me some line about what a "HUMANITARIAN " you are, when you want policies designed to help those that don't need any help.
11:02 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I must thank all of you for your comments, particularly those with informed opinions and those with all those links that support your opinion on property taxes or your tangential arguments. This thread debating all sides of any property tax has provided a pretty well-rounded (ahem) assessment. As for the Atlas Mugged title, honestly it is there for the word-play only, not any deep Rand-ian meaning or endorsement thereof. If I were to repeat an "Atlas" and "Rand" pun, I think I will choose to instead reference Rand-McNally. Thank you for almost 100 comments (plus the compliments) prompted by my cartoon.
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