I want to express my opinion about the alarming practice of nonprofit organizations easily gaining approval for increasing numbers of big, intrusive, electronically-changing signs in Elmhurst. Most recently, I was also dismayed by a nonprofit insisting on such a sign despite neighborhood opposition and the lack of neighborhood input allowed by the nonprofit into the process. For example, I received no notice until months into the approval process. As far as I know, no neighborhood input was solicited, let alone included, until well into the approval process – nearly too late, I fear, to really affect the approval process. The original proposal called for a large sign elevated 2 feet to comprise 75 square feet off the ground with roughly half devoted to electronically lighted messages which can change every 5 seconds. A more recent offer from the nonprofit reportedly reduced the sign’s square footage significantly and limited the changing to every 7 seconds.
Apparent efforts to assuage neighbors after alarm set in included a belated meeting with the nonprofit folks, but the invitations were delivered so late that no neighbors could attend. Additionally, the invitation did not clearly indicate, in my view, the nature of the meeting nor spell out exactly what the nonprofit intended to do. Serious overtures by neighborhood representatives to negotiate a less intrusive size were repeatedly rebuffed, in my view, by the nonprofit insisting upon preconditions, such as who could represent the neighborhood and what position they could advocate. It is hard for me to imagine good faith negotiations occurring under such restrictions.
I can’t really see much difference between the sign the nonprofit wants to put in our neighborhood and the kind of sign a business would propose for a commercial zone. Recently, I have noticed how many business signs, even in commercial zones, are significantly smaller than the sign proposed for our neighborhood. I also can’t see much difference between the political tactics I would see from a business and those employed by the nonprofit to gain approval for their sign. Since the petitioner in my most recent example is a Church, I am especially disappointed. It seems to me that getting such a sign has become much more important than any admonition to "love thy neighbor." Ever heard of love they neighbor? I have! What is new to me is the more recent canon, love thy sign!
Based on this experience, I would warn my Elmhurst neighbors, especially those who do not want their residential neighborhoods blighted by big electrically-changing eyesores, that such a sign is probably headed your way soon. I have heard an estimate that over 30 such residential neighborhood opportunities exist for such unsightly signs in Elmhurst. I believe that such big unsightly signs have no place in Elmhurst neighborhoods. I also believe that ignoring neighborhood input in getting City approval has no place in the conduct of nonprofit or municipal affairs! Be also cautioned that, in my judgment, you cannot count upon your local nonprofit, even if a religious organization, to willingly and sincerely consider the feelings of their neighbors when seeking to bend or break City ordinances.
Bob Hedrick, Elmhurst resident for over 20 years
Patch reader
10:50 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
The city of Elmhurst has been less than diligent in enforcing their current sign ordinances. Read the sign ordinance and look around the community. Citizens should become involved by applying to be part of the Zoning and Planning Commission. For clarification and complaints regarding signage, see this link: http://www.elmhurst.org/index.aspx?nid=737 or contact Than Werner at city hall. Make sure the city is performing due dilligence!
Shaking My Head
4:57 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
Yep, all the problems in this world/country/state/county/city and the one that prompted this guy to write a letter to the Patch was that of non-profits, like churches (CHURCHES!) putting up electronic signs and the local government allowing it to happen. Where are the torches and pitchforks? It's time to storm city hall!
Total NIMBY issue that is not a big deal. It's the 21st century people, electronic signs are fine as long as they are done well and there isn't a sign up yet in Elmhurst that isn't done well. Times change. Ways of communicating change. Don't want to hear any "I don't want Elmhurst to turn into Las Vegas" argument either because that's crazy. 3 weeks after that sign goes up, nobody will care.
And yes, I do live close to one. I can see the Vis sign from my backyard.
Nathan Ries
9:19 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012
Well, Mr. Shaking My Head, I am glad that after 3 weeks you didn't mind the Vis sign throwing its time and temp and Happy Birthday messages into your back yard. For me and many others who have lived in Elmhurst for decades, many, if not all of the flashing electronic signs that have been up for over a year still bother us and flash as a reminder that we are losing our peaceful neighborhoods. The electronic changing signs are NIMBY ("Not In My Back Yard," for those who don't know the term that was used above) yet, but if they do get there it will be one more oversight by the people charged to advise and govern our great city, it will decrease property values for those within immediate view of the sign, will affect the safety of pedestrians, bikers, and cars through the area, and surely will change the landscape for the rest of us. A 5' high 15' long sign, half of which is electronic, brightly lit, changes its message every 5 seconds, all day every day until 10PM, is something nobody wants in their neighborhood. Agreed, we could be spending our time discussing other "problems," but this is certainly a tacky feature that could quickly spread around Elmhurst residential neighborhoods if left unchallenged. If "times change," then churches should spread their word via city mailings, social networking, other community groups, and maybe, just maybe, on the Bulletin Board signs that they already have in place that don't flash and light up the neighborhood like Atlantic City.
Angie Pool
1:51 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Nicely said Mr. Ries.