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Kelly Miller Circus Rep Answers Critics Before Friday's Show at Sandburg

Community supports the Kelly Miller Circus, District 205 Foundation leader says.

 

The big top will soon be rising at Sandburg Middle School as the Kelly Miller Circus arrives in Elmhurst for two shows, at 4:30 and 7:30 p.m. Friday, Sept. 9.

The old-fashioned, one-ring circus is quite a bit smaller than the three-ring Ringling Bros., but circus officials say that works to their advantage.

“I grew up in Maywood and used to see the Ringling Bros. at the International Amphitheater in Chicago,” said Kelly Miller Circus General Manager Jim Royal. “We used to have to look down on the aerialists from the balcony. 

"Our tent seats 1,100 people, and the last row of seating is only 40 feet from the ring. You can see our performers' expressions and they can really connect with the audience.”

Kelly Miller Circus was founded in 1938 as Miller Bros. Circus by Obert Miller and his sons, Kelly and Dory. In 2007, the circus was purchased by John Ringling North II, whose great uncles were the famous Ringling Bros. The show began performing as Kelly Miller Circus in 1984 and has been a primary fund-raiser for the District 205 Foundation for more than 10 years.

“It’s a nice event because the community can benefit from it,” said Lisa Fanelli, District 205 Foundation executive director. “Even if your kids don’t attend school here, you’re welcome to attend.”

The show features jugglers, clowns, acrobats, aerialists, horses, camels, tigers and elephants. Traditional circus favorites such as popcorn and cotton candy will be available to guests.

“We found when we reverted to a more traditional format in 2007 that we’ve gotten nothing but positive feedback,” Royal said. “We perform under a tent, not in an arena primarily designed for basketball. Our tent is specifically designed for this performance.

“If people come out by 9 a.m. Friday, they’ll get to see Lisa, one of our elephants, help raise the big top. We have a tour guide and they’ll be able to go inside the tent as Lisa raises the last of four poles.”

Captive Audience, Captive Animals

But some people feel circus life is harmful to the animals, and the Kelly Miller Circus has had to answer to its share of critics.

Representatives from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals say over the years they have had concerns about Kelly Miller Circus, and Carson and Barnes Circus, which leases some of the animals to Kelly Miller Circus.

“We definitely have concerns over how the animals are treated,” said Delcianna Winders, director of captive animal law enforcement for PETA. “If you look behind the veil you can see what we’re talking about.”

Winders claims last month three tigers under the care of Kelly Miller Circus staff escaped from their enclosures, and two of them bit a horse. She also said staff took 30 minutes to get them back into their cages. Winders claims Kelly Miller Circus was cited by the USDA for the incident.

She said Carson and Barnes also was cited by the USDA after an elephant was allegedly beaten with a bull hook, however they were not performing with Kelly Miller Circus at that time.

Royal strongly disputes that there is any animal abuse under his watch.

“We are conscious of the safety of all of our animals and guests,” he said. “We’re regulated by the USDA and we regularly receive surprise inspections throughout the year.”

Royal says Kelly Miller Circus performs more than 200 shows per year and is regulated heavily by city, state, township and federal agencies every week. Royal claims the only incident the USDA has mentioned since 2007 is one in which a clown, who performs with his pet poodle, did not have the poodle registered with the USDA.

“We’re not hidden in an arena,” he said. “We’re in the open and the public has access to our areas. The various groups associate their names and reputations with us and we have to be at our best at all times to be successful.”

Carson and Barnes Circus was cited 12 times by the USDA over an eight-year period, according to PETA. All of the violations were corrected; many more inspections resulted in no violations from the USDA.

'Community Supports It'

“We understand it is a controversial issue to some,” said District 205 Foundation's Fanelli. “We have the Elmhurst Police Department check out the circus to see if there are any violations and have spoken to people about the circus. It seems like the community, as a whole, supports it.”

Tickets to the circus are available in advance for $14 for adults and $8 for children age 2 to 8. Tickets prices will be $2 more if purchased at the door.

Information about ticket purchases is available at the Elmhurst District 205 Web site.

Related Topics: Elmhurst District 205 Foundation, Kelly Miller Circus, and Sandburg Middle School

Renee Gough

7:16 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

It makes me cringe to see people supporting the inhumane treatment of animals at this circus. In the future, we will wonder what took us so long to come to our senses and put an end to this nonsense.

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PJC

9:15 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I could not agree more. The Elmhurst District 205 Foundation should pursue other forms of fundraising events and not support animal abuse.

Ellie

8:48 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

There are many people in the community whose childhood was tainted with abuse. If you know one of them well enough to ask, they would tell you that it always happened out of sight of others. They were often abused or threatened with harm if they told, so they remained silent despite the pain. They will tell you that this fear is so powerful it remains a secret into adulthood sometimes death, the Police never knew.
Elephants mirror the human species especially in emotions. Many circus elephants suffer with PTSD from the abuse they experienced as babies, the circus trainers beat them with bullhooks, shock them with electric prods everyday, for months, years or as long as it takes to dominate them into submission so that they will perform circus tricks on cue.

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Ellie

9:12 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

If families in the community had the same information the District 205 Foundation received about circus elephant abuse, they could watch this video of Becky one of the elephants touring with Kelly Miller Circus being trained in a barn in Oklahoma. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF_KvjhL18
With the Internet at your fingertips there is no excuse for not educating yourself about the inhumane lives these exotic circus animals must live in order to entertain you. A picture speaks a thousand words, a video leaves little doubt.
It is a shame that our educational administrators would ignore all the evidence of the inhumane life these animals live and continue to condone this animal abuse for entertainment.

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Bridget

3:07 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Those people have a special place in hell for sure. I hope someone stick a hook in him!!! Very disturbing.

Bob Santini

10:08 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

thank you 'ellie'; i could only last about 3 minutes watching the youtube clip you reference.

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Lived in 5 other metro areas...

12:30 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I couldn't even get past the 'hurt 'em' statements. Or hit 'em with every think you've got under the chin. If tell you to sink that hook into them, then do it.' Close to vomiting now...

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Tina Tuszynski

12:37 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I agree with the above posters - I as well couldn't stomach more than a couple minutes of this video. I have always been skeptical about circuses in the past, due to things I've read and a gut feeling, and now I am glad I never took my son to one when he was little.

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Ellie

4:57 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Becky’s beating is just one among many. The entire circus industry has always used these cruel and abusive methods to train their performing elephants. You can go to YouTube and you can see how Ringling trains its baby elephants or watch the owner of Have Trunk Will Travel beat and shock Tia the elephant star who appeared in the movie "Water for Elephants.”
These pictures and videos are sickening to watch, I can hardly get through 30 seconds before being overcome. I only watch this animal abuse, so I can truthfully tell others that if they really believe that circus animals enjoy entertaining them they need to watch those videos to learn the truth.

Vincent Russell

1:38 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

District 205 has dropped to the lowest of the low. They should stick with teaching and drop the fundraising. Their other fundraisers besides participating in the mistreatment of animals, are wine tasting (great example to set for our kids) and Christmas tree sales. Last time I checked, Christmas is for Christians, which means 205 is discriminating against other religions.

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jolana

1:56 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

As far as I know........no group other than Christians use trees. How is that discriminating? Perhaps you think the school district should switch to the sale of American Flags? No, wait that would be discriminating too? Better yet, you're right, our children, government workers (Federal, State and Local) and anyone employed for that matter, should not have any Federal Holidays off. Why are Federal Government offices closed on Christmas Day? There you go! The Federal Government is discriminating too! Get a grip - take a break - and take some time to smell the roses. Life is too short. Let District 205 do what they feel is best.

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Vincent Russell

2:08 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Jolana, we let 205 do what they feel is best and where did it get us? They purchased a building at an excessive price in the middle of a retail zone that didn't even serve the purpose it was intended for. What 205 thinks is best is sipping on wine and watching the abuse of animals.

Cut the spending, stop the wine-guzzling fundrasing, and teach our kids.

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Lynn

2:31 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

FYI, District 205 Foundation and Elmhurst School District 205 are two different things.

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Vincent Russell

2:49 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Lynn, OK, they are different but they both still think that sipping on wine and watching the abuse of animals is a great way for fundraising. Fine example for the kids.

Here's and idea: cut the spending, stop the wine-guzzling fundrasing, and teach our kids. Raise the money to help the elephant preserves in Africa.

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Dianne Arp

5:47 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I'm shocked and appalled that a progressive community such as Elmhurst would choose to bring an animal abusing circus to its town as 'entertainment.' I would suggest the decision-makers saddled with this atrocity investigate other types humane, non-animal entertainment in the future. Circus animal are abused in order to get them to 'perform' for the audience. Do you see lions, elephants and tigers doing these things in the wild? Contact the Humane Society of the U.S. Regional Office and ask about the charges brought against the Kelly Miller Circus. Make an informed decision. Maybe you were unaware of the abuse, but now you know. If you continue to showcase this type of animal abuse, you're profiting off the backs of abused animals. And....you're supporting it.

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Renee Gough

7:53 pm on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

How do we get this revolution started? I know they have had protesters picketing the circus before. How can we end this?

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Ellie

8:44 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Education is essential to stopping this animal abuse. We have to educate our “Educators”. They seem oblivious to the fact that they are condoning the inhumane treatment of theses circus animals especially in light of all the evidences and studies that have come out showing the circus industry using abusive and cruel methods to train their animals. Make no mistake there are direct links between animal abuse, child abuse and domestic violence, and there is research to prove it.
Google Dr. Frank Ascione, he has done studies and research at the “Institute for Human-Animal Connection” about this connection. There is the “Community Legal Services of Mid-Florida,” who work with people caught in a domestic violence situation, they see what goes on. They published a pamphlet “Help Break the Cycle of Violence: Teach Children to Respect Animals.”

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Renee Gough

8:49 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Thank goodness we have people like you, Elie, who are aware of the details of what is going on beyond my own 'gut reaction' to how wrong this circus feels. I beg citizens of Elmhurst NOT TO ATTEND this circus at the very least. I really am not sure how to go much further than that. But I would be willing to lend a hand to anyone who shows initiative to begin awareness and end animal abuse in the form of circus acts.

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Vincent Russell

9:13 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Renee, Pretty simple how to stop it. 1st How about telling the lame-brains at 205 that we don't want animal abuse on public property (event is at Sandburg). 2nd Show the school children what happens to these animals. Guarantee that no kid would want to attend if they knew what goes on. 3rd, a simple picket of the entrances at Sandberg would be enough to stop people from attending.

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Renee Gough

10:14 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I think I will call Sandburg today Vince. Or better yet put it in writing too. I am unsure of who to contact at District 205. However I have a friend who picketed one year with an animal rights group and it did not seem to deter people. Heck, maybe I will take my 6th grader there and hold up a sign. Big things start with two people!

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Ellie

10:59 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

David Pruneau Superintendent email: dpruneau (at) elmhurst205 (dot) org
Lisa Fanelli is Executive Director of the District 205 Foundation email: lfanelli (at) elmhurst205 (dot) org
Phone: 630-617-2304
Fax: 630-617-2345

Renee Gough

10:49 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I have called Sandburg and they responded "We have absolutely nothing to do with the circus. If you have an issue you have to call the circus at 630-530-7700. We are simply renting out the grounds to them." When I said that renting the grounds constituted involvement and reflected poorly on our district and Sandburg school they were not interested. They would not give me a name, email address or contact for anyone to write or call. I will write the principal later today but don't envision that going very well. District 205? Anybody have a number or a contact?

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Renee Gough

10:53 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Posted Ellie's link on my Facebook page.

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Karen Chadra

11:17 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

The above-posted video was apparently made in 2007, but there is no indication whatsoever that this involved personnel or animals from the Kelly Miller Circus, and Kelly Miller was not cited for the incident.
Also, while Renee Gough is a Patch contributor, views expressed are hers alone and do not represent any official stance of Patch.

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Ellie

12:04 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Becky the elephant in that video is in fact the same elephant performing with Kelly Miller Circus. It is true that Becky, Lisa and Traci are leased by Kelly Miller Circus but owned by their sister circus Carson& Barnes out of Hugo.
The point is, it doesn’t matter if the elephants are owned or leased by Kelly Miller, Carson & Barnes, Cole Bros, Shrine Circus or Ringling Bros Circus, they all use the same cruel training methods to force these wild animals to perform. YouTube is full of videos showing the entire circus industry beating the elephants and other circus animal.

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Karen Chadra

11:48 am on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Everyone on this comment stream needs to understand that Elmhurst District 205, Sandburg Middle School and Superintendent Pruneau have nothing to do with the decision to bring Kelly Miller Circus to town. The event is scheduled through the Elmhurst District 205 Foundation, a nonprofit that has its own board of directors, etc. Do not contact the school district or Sandburg Middle School personnel about this issue. People with concerns should e-mail foundation@elmhurst205.org.
I realize this is an emotional issue, but spreading misinformation and starting a witch hunt against parties that have nothing to do with the event is unacceptable.

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Richard

10:03 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Karen, are you that naive?! or do you think that we are that gullible? Obviously Elmhurst District 205 has the ability to choose who they to rent the property to (which is funded by my tax dollars). Hence they are responsible to who they rent to. I am not on either side of this issue, but for you to assert that 205 "has nothing to do with the decision to bring Kelly Miller Circus to town" is simply laughable.

Ellie

12:52 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I don’t think people are trying to spread misinformation. Who do you contact if not the Superintendent when the circus is held on school grounds year after year, the School District is promoting the circuses arrive on their own website. A couple of clowns with Kelly Miller Circus visited Lincoln and Fisher Elementary to give the kids a sneak peak of the circus.

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Karen Chadra

12:59 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Has anyone contacted the foundation and had a discussion with them about it? To my knowledge, no one has. Why is there the assumption that your voices can't be heard without inciting a "revolution"? Open a dialog with the foundation, pass a petition, you might be surprised at the results. The School Board did not make the decision to bring the circus here, and certainly the Sandburg principal had no involvement. The circus has been coming here long before she had the position at Sandburg.
I would love to see the proof as to where and when that video was shot, only because that is my nature as a journalist. I need evidence before I take a position on any issue.

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Vincent Russell

1:06 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Come on Karen....someone at 205 authorized the rental of the public property to hold this event that abuses animals. Are you saying that 205 is not responsible for who they rent to?

What if I wanted to hold a burlesque show at Sandberg?

Karen, you are the journalist, so we will leave the investigation up to you. As far the training of 5 ton animals to do unnatural things, I guarantee there is force used. You want to see elephants, go to Africa or the zoo.

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Karen Chadra

1:17 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I'm saying that to change it, to be effective in stopping the circus from coming here, people need to go to the foundation to make that happen, not the school district.
The video shows animal abuse, obviously. What I question is, who are these people and when and where was it shot. There are allegations that this is Kelly Miller or Carson and Barnes, and I'm just asking for evidence of that.

Ellie

2:29 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

The man in the video is Tim Frisco. He is still employed with Carson & Barnes Circus as their head elephant trainer. Carson & Barnes own a herd of elephants that they train with the cruel methods in the video and then lease them out to Kelly Miller and other circus venues. The Carson & Barnes Family owned Kelly Miller Circus up until they sold it to John Ringling North and another man around 2007. John Ringling North spent his child and adulthood traveling with the family circus, Ringling Bros. He knows how the circus animal performers are trained. Kelly Miller Circus makes the claim that they don’t mistreat these elephants. What they are really saying is, we don't beat these elephants to train them to perform, but somebody else does so we can use them in our show, but we personally don't abuse them.

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Bridget

3:03 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Ellie, wow, that is some interesting information. I have always hated the circus and I personally refuse to go....but my husband and my son are going. My son is in Kindergarten and really wants to see it. After reading all this, I wish he was not going anymore. And as far as the school district not promoting it...the flyer came home in my son's backpack from school...so, I am pretty sure they are promoting it...and probably turning the other cheek on rumored animal abuse.

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Ellie

9:22 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Kendra, Trying to dispel the illusions the circus used to nab your son may make it more difficult for you to teach him about the horrible lives the animals live. Maybe he would enjoy this real life story you could share with him. Tara an Asian elephant and her very best friend Bella a yellow dog, live and play together at The Elephant Sanctuary in Hohenwald Tennessee. TES has 13 webcams so people can watch the rescued elephants living on 2700 acre where they get to roam to their hearts content.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCCd8HKCjNg
http://www.elephants.com/elecam/elecamAsian.php

Jeff Trunk

3:34 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

Oh please. All of this self righteousness and indignation. It's easy to start a "revolution" from behind a desk, typing on a keyboard. I hope all of you that are so disgusted are true vegans. If not, you're a hypocrite. Eat meat? Ever seen a video of a slaughter house? Wear leather or fur? Think those cows or mink/fox, etc gave their hides freely?

Posting on a little website is easy. Making calls to a school is easy. Watching You Tube is easy. As Johnny Cash would sing, get out there and "walk the line". Quit eating meat, drinking milk, wearing leather or fur based clothing. At least then you'll be consistent.

Me? I'm going to Gibson's for a steak before I go to the Kelly Miller Circus. It's good to be at the top of the food chain. Enjoy it.

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bannor

10:03 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Jeff,

many of the people protesting are vegan. btw, how can anyone be proud that they are willingly contributing and supporting a holocaust for their own personal self gratification:

www.meatvideo.com

Renee Gough

6:33 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

I will be contacting foundation@elmhurst205.org. Thank you for the information Karen. Yes, this comment comes entirely from a mother with a heart and does not represent the views of Patch!

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Karen Chadra

8:55 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

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Richard

10:11 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Wow. Karen, you must be a real gem. Your own post, for an article you wrote for the news outlet you work for gets automatically deleted for violating the terms of use of that news outlet. This has to be a first...you are bringing journalism to a new low!

Heidi Hartmann

11:18 pm on Thursday, September 8, 2011

In response to Jeff Trunk (though the comment doesn't deserve a response), the logic is ridiculous. To state that it is hypocritical to object to animal cruelty unless one is vegan would mean absolutely no bounds on mistreatment of animals. Although most of our society eats meat, more and more people are becoming aware of animal cruelty issues (including factory farming methods) and working to bring about change. You don't have to be vegetarian or vegan to work to end mistreatment of animals.

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Tim Trunk

9:47 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Heidi - if you are against the mistreatment of animals, then be consistent and be against the mistreatment of all animals, not just the mistreatment of animals when it is convienient or suits you. Stop using medicines and most cosmetics. Stop wearing furs and leather. Don't go to the zoo. Stop drinking milk. Besides taking 30 seconds and posting on this website, what else are you doing? Anything?

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bannor

10:15 am on Wednesday, October 5, 2011

actually, Jeff is correct Hedi. it is quite hypocritical to condemn one type of abuse while participating in another.
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser

Ellie

6:37 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

The Human equivalent to a circus elephant’s life is to take a young child away from their mother forever, put them in prison for the rest of their lives, and then beat them with a fireplace poker and shock them with a taser regularly.
I’ve heard people say what’s wrong with the circus, “their animals are feed and housed and don’t have to worry about surviving in the wild.” And to that I would ask, would you want to be free to live a normal life on your own or go to prison where you are feed, housed, beaten and confined for life.

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J. F. Clancy

1:08 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

See Ellie, this is where you PETA nuts lose the rational people of the world. When you start to make comparisons between human beings and elephants, you are making a disingenous argument based on an appeal to emotion. Why not compare the plight of the elephants to starving children in Ethiopia to make your point as well?

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Ellie

9:13 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Chi, I wouldn’t ask you to rely on my arguments or emotions, but there are many elephant experts who have documented studies and factual evidences of similarities between the human and elephant species especially in emotions. Elephants have been documented to experience PTSD from the abuse they experienced while they were babies and the beating they receive as performing elephants. Dr. Joyce Poole has been studying and documenting elephant’s behaviors for over40 years. http://www.elephantvoices.org/elephant-basics.html
Dr. Cynthia Moss has spent more than 40 years studying elephants and working for their conservation. The following is a list of publications from the Amboseli Elephant Research Project. http://www.elephanttrust.org/node/282
Dr. Gay Bradshaw concludes that "current understanding of elephant psychobiology, ethnology and ecology indicates that existing standards regulating the care and health of elephants in captivity are highly inadequate and require revision.” http://www.animalsandsociety.org/resources/details.php?id=46
Disingenuous, not me, I am an educated consumer and can speak intelligently on the subject, without being a member of any group. I know animal abuse when I see it. With the Internet at our fingertips there is no excuse for not educating yourself.
Abused elephants and the starving children in Ethiopia have one thing in common. Their demises and deaths are caused by Human Adults.

Renee Gough

7:22 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Heidi, I agree the silly little man who made his comment deserves no response, but yours was dictated by logic and intelligence. Well done. The brave people of the world are the ones who take the time to examine the issue, dissect the moving parts and make changes. The weak ones rubber stamp all change as futile. Imagine if we had turned our back on all social change because it seemed absurd at the time. The animal abuse at the circus will come to an end. It will be interesting to see if Elmhurst residents will lead the initiative or follow those who are the first to be brave.

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Renee Gough

8:44 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Oh Dan, I am sure the committee can handle a few simple emails saying "Please stop hosting the circus in the future." sent to foundation@elmhurst205.org. In fact, I will happily drop off a sample of my delicious home cooked food to anyone who sends a basic email to this address! This comment has no affiliation with my contributions to Patch. Today I'm just a mom who will cook for change!

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Tim Trunk

9:41 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

I'd rather be a silly little man than a hypocritical lemming following any "revolution" created from an article on our little hometown Patch. I am not for cruelty to animals, but I have a clear understanding, and acceptance, of reality and evolution. If you have not been to or seen a slaughter house, let me tell you the first step of the "process" is a 2 foot stainless steel knife methodically rises up from the floor and disembowels the cow/steer. They aren't dead at that point because the processors need them upright, at least at that point. It gets worse from there. Is that somehow better than parading around an elephant for our amusement? The elephant gets to eat later on. Use medicines? Guess where they were tested first? In a lab, on animals intentionally given the disease the meds are meant to cure. I can go on.

So, go ahead and protest the 205 fundraiser. Feel good about yourself and the posts you have put up...at least until the next "revolution" comes along on the Patch and off marching you go. Have fun baking brownies.

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Vincent Russell

12:40 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Tim, you are an elephant's *ss. Grow up, please!

Renee Gough

10:51 am on Friday, September 9, 2011

Tim- When life gives you lemmings, make lemmingade!

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Vincent Russell

12:46 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Thank you to all the brave citizens of Elmhurst who have spoken up: Renee, Ellie, Diane, Kendra, Mary, Bob, Heidi and others.

205 should be ashamed of itself (and the parents that run this so called wine-guzzling non-profit. Sip you wine, watch the abuse of animals, but please, disassociate yourself from 205 and don't do it on 205 property. We don't want it. We don't need it. You don't need it. The animals don't need it. The children would simply be shocked if they knew what really goes on.

If you want to teach an enrichment program, teach the students to show respect for God's creatures and the APPROPRIATE WAY to treat them.

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Renee Gough

1:38 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Thank you Vincent. It's always interesting to hear the dialogue in our city. Like so many emotionally charged issues, there are many passionate opinions on this subject. Time will tell how the voices cook down and reduce to crystallize the final majority ruling. I'm not sure if my voice will be the strongest in that majority but I feel happy I was able to express myself in this forum. I never really thought about joining PETA before I read this article. I am really enjoying reading about the organization now. It's also interesting to learn more about Foundation 205 and how to get involved so that I can understand the entire jigsaw puzzle.

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Tim Trunk

2:20 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Vincent - the truth hurts, doesn't it? When you resort to name calling in an argument, you lose.
Renee - but what of those poor lemmings? Should they needlessly die for the sake of our lemmingade?

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jolana

11:55 pm on Friday, September 9, 2011

Well now that the circus has moved on - how about another article to comment on
Nearly $51,000 in Grants Awarded to Elmhurst District 205 Schools
Annual Thiems Grants will provide students Smart Boards, iPads, books, e-readers, desks, games, trips and more.
April 15, 2011
Here's a small section of the article talking about Thiems Grants and a listing of just one type of grant received by District 205.
A Magical Carpet Ride Through Wilder Park—Conrad Fischer: $1,424.30
This grant provides a one-day field trip to Wilder Park. Not more than 5 percent of the fifth-grade students have visited the Wilder Park museums, and 69 percent have never visited a library. Students will tour the Lizzadro Museum of Lapidary Art, learn about rocks and minerals, and view the ivory and jade exhibits. In the Park District Conservatory, students will learn about plant specimens that date to the beginning of the conservatory and will have a hands-on activity. At the Elmhurst Art Museum, students will tour the galleries and create a sculpture. Students will tour the Wilder Mansion and learn about the history of the mansion and the architecture used in its design. At EPL, students will tour the library and learn about the many activities offered there.
So, let me get this straight, $1424.30 for what? For students to tour the EPL, Lizzadro and Elm. Art Museums, and the P.D. Conservatory? Liz. and EAM are both free on Fridays and the other venues sure better be free! So what's the money for?

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Ellie

10:08 am on Saturday, September 10, 2011

The District 205 Foundation isn’t the only Education Foundation throughout the state that is using Kelly Miller Circus to raise funds, with a quick search I found these. Looks like it is a concerted effort between these educational foundations that are connected to our schools to team up with the circus. Just like the Pied Piper our public schools are allowing the circus to lead thousands of children directly to the Big Top.
District 58 Education Foundation in Downers Grove
South Berwyn Education Foundation
District 59 Education Foundation in Elk Grove
District Fifteen Educational Foundation and the Rolling Meadows Park District Foundation.

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Lived in 5 other metro areas...

3:32 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Thank you all for your enlightened conversation. I'm taken by your passion. I hope that we all keep our eyes on the goal: That no people or animals get hurt. Be conscious of the trickle down affect on both sides. Treat the people with respect. This in turn causes them respect. Keep in mind, too, that if you slam their profession, you not only are threatening them personally but, theatening their livelyhood. It shouldn't surprise that all came out swinging. I saw lots of grandstanding and little compassion. A farming family would look at this situation far differently than a city family. Both sides have valid perspective when considering their roots. Have patience. Walk away, take a break, come back fresh. Change takes time. Maybe next time I'll feel that I've been educated rather than having watched a dog fight. The loudest one rarely is right. Watch congress for similarites.

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Darlene Heslop

9:17 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

i hit elmhurst at 4:10 pm on friday afternoon. coming west on st. charles, past sandburg, the parking lot was already filling up w/minivans and suv's, with piles of kids getting out of them. i turned north on poplar, and there had to be at least 6 families w/multiple children walking toward sandburg. the foundation is correct at least on this front - it does seem to be a popular event here in elmhurst. the district 205 foundation is itself it's own entity, covered by its own non-paid, volunteer board of directors, bylaws, etc. it is a registered non-for-profit. lisa fanelli, the executive director, is the only paid employee. i don't know if she is entirely paid by the foundation or if the school district pays any part of her salary or benefits. i don't condone cruelty to anyone or anything, however, mr. trunk does bring up some valid points. we use primates to test everything from drugs to experimental surgeries (remember the baby that received the baboon's heart?), the majority do eat meat that comes from a slaughter house (nice, graphic description which has caused me to rethink my eating habits), and how many carry a leather wallet, purse, briefcase or wear leather shoes? i also know that there are people that derive their livelihoods from these various entities as well. you ask how can society end this cycle of abuse...

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Ellie

10:27 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

I can't help but believe that if all those naive families you saw attending the circus could watch the video of Becky being beaten and look at the dozens of pictures showing how another circus trains their baby elephants by hooking, stabbing and jabbing them with a bullhook and shocking them with a electric prod. The Kids would run screaming and crying from the Big Top to learn that the animals they love are beaten and live a very inhumane life to entertainment them. The Circus is a master at illusions, they've been able to hide this animal abuse for decades, but the Internet has changed that, YouTube is full of videos showing the entire circus industry beating their elephants, they can no longer hide it.

Darlene Heslop

9:32 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

the best way is rather than isolating ourselves and thinking "problem solved" when the foundation decides, after enough pressure is applied, to not have the circus return, is to instead, insure that not only does this particular entity known as the kelly miller circus comply with all regulations as set forth by the usda, but exceeds them, in terms of its treatment of its animals. i cannot sit here and say without sounding like a hypocrite that having animals in a circus is any more cruel than having them in a zoo, an aquarium, a "sea world", or on a ranch being raised for their fur or hide, or a farm for their meat, let alone in a research lab being shot up with chemicals hoping to find the next big breakthrough in the quest for the ultimate weight-loss pill.

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Ellie

10:17 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Abuse of one species does not negate the abuse of another. Just because it has always been OK to abuse these animals in the past does not make it right now. Especially when there is so much evidences of the abusive methods used to handle and train exotic animals. All the elephants performing with Kelly Miller Circus are trained the same way as all circus elephant are, with a bullhooks and electric prods. You cannot train an elephant to perform in hundreds of shows on cue with just food treats. Watch Becky the elephant performing with Kelly Miller Circus being trained by Tim Frisco behind closed barn doors, this is how they train elephants. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZF_KvjhL18
I checked the number of times the USDA has inspected Kelly Miller over the past few years and they are visited once a year. What kind of over site is that? There is no reason why the circus cannot continue without the exotic animals who have to be abused to train them.

jolana

11:25 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Abuse of any animal, person or living thing is unconscionable. That is a given. I'm actually surprised that the USDA inspects once a year. The USDA like many other government agencies are seriously understaffed. Food safety is often compromised. We can go on and on in this discussion with many very valid opinions. I do agree with Ms. Hesslop in that many animal related activities can be considered by some to be cruel. However, children would never see many animals, fish, aquatics, etc. without institutions like zoos and aquariums. Our family visited the Shedd Aquarium as trainers for the day. I must tell you that the security system was significantly more involved than traveling overseas thru O'Hare. The safety protocols (in order to ensure proper care of the animals) were incredible.
Of course we all worry about what happens with the elephants - I worry too about the kids in the circus. Are they properly schooled, does the circus comply with child labor laws? Bottom line - everything can be considered in many different ways. Be proactive, stand up for your concerns, but please treat each other with civility, common courtesy and kindness.
Be positive rather than acting with revenge. Enlighten and educate people to your way of thinking. Maybe they will agree and maybe they won't but at least you will have done your part.
As far as continuing without the exotic animals, what about the dogs, horses, etc. are they trained any differently?

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Ellie

2:55 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Domesticated animals are trained completely different, they can be trained with patience's and food rewards. Wild animals cannot be trained with those methods. To train an exotic animal like a elephant and tiger you must beat them into submission and dominate them with the use of bullhooks (looks like a fireplace poker), shock them with electric prods and whips.
These pictures show how the circus takes their baby elephants and trains them. The man who took these pictures worked as a elephant trainer with Ringling Bros Circus, he was so overcome with guilt for abusing these baby elephants that he wanted the world to see what happens behind closed doors.
http://www.ringlingbeatsanimals.com/bound-babies.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdQPSy9zPVA
With the Internet at our fingertips there is no excuse for not educating yourself and education is essential if you want to learn the truth.

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jolana

3:54 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

With your last comment, I looked carefully at the Internet and I too would suggest that you use this resource. Where do you think domesticated animals came from originally? ALL ANIMALS were once wild. Wild animals CAN be trained with the exact same methods as domesticated animals. It is a false statement to say that you must beat them into submission to dominate them and/or to train them. I am not saying that abuse doesn't happen and perhaps it occurs more frequently in certain venues. But please educate yourself and recognize that throughout the ages many, many exotic animals have been humanely trained and have lived a much richer, better life coexisting with man. To state absolutely that exotic animals cannot be trained via humane methods, is simply a slap in the face of professional trainers.

Darlene Heslop

7:12 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

i'm having a difficult time making the destinction between levels of cruelty here. is it more or less o.k. to keep an animal in a little itty bitty cage, then electrocute it for its fur? is it more or less o.k. to load up a primate with chemicals all in the name of "drug research"? is it more or less o.k. to keep a killer whale in a tank in sea world and "train" it so that it can "perform" - and then blame the animal when it takes it's trainer by the hair for "a ride" and ends up killing her? is it more or less o.k. to put a jaguar in a tiny enclosure so that it can never run? while i am very concerned with the situation regarding training methods in the circus industry, i feel hypocritical in making statements to the effect that one is worse than the other and therefore making judgements on the people who gain their livelihoods from these industries, in some instances, this is the only life they have ever known and may barely be making it as it is. i can't pass that kind of judgement. both domestic and exotic animals can and are trained by both methods - humane and inhumane, just like people. ask anyone that has been abused - they are "trained" by their abuser in an inhumane manner.

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Bob Santini

9:06 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

i'll have my baby lamb (oops veal) medium rare please

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